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Hi Kristin,
Some of us recent no-shows are just mulling things over (our critiques, our writer's block) but have no intention of fleeing the scene of the accident.
This site has had a few quitters, but very few. We are, by and large, a determined bunch. And grateful for the input, whatever it consists of.
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Kristin, if you're unsure about just picking someone, there are forums where writers actively look for readers. That's also a good place to start. I did most of my early reviews out of the "undiscovered" section where no one had a review yet. Right now I'm half way through a review for someone who already has a couple books up here, but she's still looking for help.
Like I said, just look to see who wants them.
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Thanks for the help! Finished my last review using the undiscovered section and got my book "Keepers of the Wheel" posted. Now time to get away from the computer screen for a little while before I fry my retinas!
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Welcome, Kristin! This is my first NaNo, too, and I'm trying not to let it be a big deal. At the same time, I feel like I kind of need to make it a big deal, because otherwise nothing's getting done.  You've gotten lots of great suggestions and advice already, so I'll leave it there, but there's a bunch of us here to answer any other questions you might have as they come up!
Aaaannndd...progress: I decided to try writing this new project backwards, so I started the last chapter last night. It's kind of an experiment to see if the story puts itself together better running in reverse. It occurred to me that while stories are generally best read from beginning to end, nothing says that they have to be written that way! Today I also started writing a scene from somewhere in the middle of a different new project, and it's really exciting me because just in the first page I learned more about where my characters are and what major problems they're tackling right now. I haven't been able to pin the plot down quite yet because I was struggling with figuring out the conflict(s), but today finally gleaned me a little bit of gold. 
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Didn't finish chapter 34, but I reviewed your work, Kristin. Hope my advice is useful for the future.
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Hi, Kristin! I'd like to think I'm one of the regulars around here. Oh, how am I kidding? I pretty much live on this site when I can.
I'm participating in my first NaNoWriMo and I decided to do it a week into November. But despite the panic I feel and my secret plots to get some writing in on Thanksgiving, I'm confident. Don't hesitate to ask any questions or vent. We understand. Trust me.
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Hi Kristin
Your book genre is just my 'cup of tea.' I'm mid review at the moment, but will check it out next. My own supernatural thriller booky (not yet posted) has afew essential premises in it which are quite conceptual also. I was wondering how/if you might be planning to work these into the synopsis, as I find they make more sense in the context of the story than just laying them out in an uber short summary?
Good luck with the writing!
I'm also thinking that this site may be viewed by agents quite regularly..... within a day of mentioning on this thread that an agent considering my work had vanished into the ether, and had no longer any idea that I had been asked to forward the full manu (after a partial), I was contacted by them and given fresh hope.
If you're reading this, you know who you are, and get back to my wonderful book instead
Oh, yes..... And congrats on your recent publications........ you know I'm openly jealous of them, but huge congrats nonetheless!
Anyways, welcome to the site Kristin, and, may you have no peace to write, for all the publisher's persistant knocking at your door!
MikeH
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Michael, agents do visit this site regularly. A few people have gotten representation offers as well as bids on their books from this website.
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I finished chapter 34. One more left. I'm so excited. I'm super excited. No! I'm beside myself with elation. Yeah, much better.
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I got a scene typed up from a new project. It's posted to my blog, if anyone wants to take a look. It's the one that I felt really helped me figure out more about what's going on in my characters' world. I'm considering going ahead and building up the chapter around this scene, since I have a pretty good idea of what's happening next. I still have a lot of research to do for it, but I can work that in as I need it, I think.
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Hey Nicki
I'm a little old fashioned (I first tried to write this response with a pencil) Where, or how do I find your blog?
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Hi Michael, just click on my username and select "View profile," and when you scroll down my profile you'll see the link to my blog under "Links" on the right hand side. (It's right under the Badges section.) Just be forewarned: I write gay romance, and it gets explicit at times. But if you still want to check it out, I'd be happy to have you!
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Read it, Nicki. Sounds like and interesting concept. A post-apocalyptic gay romance. Heh. I don't usually read romance, but I think I can do this.
Did an edit of chapter 31 today. Not much, but there ya go.
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LeeAnna, I've been meaning to read your book. My eyes are suddenly feeling better. (Lord, I hope so. I've had a brutal three-plus months of misery - allergies, I think) I will tackle Ash this weekend.
Nicki, I can beat post-apocalyptic gay. I'm working on a new story. My MC is a former movie star who writes lesbian porn, that is, lesbian mouse porn. Yes, she's a mouse.
Top that, if you can.
And, yes, I plan to get explicit also. I may have to read your thing for research.
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Mimi, you've definitely got me beat! Lesbian mouse porn sounds pretty intriguing. I don't know that I'll be the best resource for your research, but you do flatter me.
LeeAnna, I'm not exactly planning for this one to be a gay romance - the goal is to branch out a little into some other genres - but if it slides in that direction I suppose I'm not going to be overly distraught. 
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Nicki, just because it's post-apocalyptic is already a step outside your norm. If you do it right, keep the romance, but don't let it over ride your plot, than you can keep a signature of yours for readers to recognize while expanding your writing.
Wow, that's a completely muddles sentence. Hope you got what I said.
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Yea I'll check it out... might even learn something useful. Also, until quite recently, I had a hamster, so I guess I've a headstart for Mimi's too. After all, a hamster is just a mouse wearing something which does indeed make their butt look big..... though I'd never have told her that! :o
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Aah hell, I thought you meant gay girls! Well it's certainly not 'same old, same old.' Don't think the actual dialogue used would have changed much since the fifties. It didn't distract anyway. I haven't researched this, but I'm thinking it was mostly buttons rather than zips back then. The series torchwood has some soldier, 1940s gay scenes where the guilt and paranoia suffered were evident.
Points for bold originality!
Michael
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Oops, sorry that wasn't more clear, Michael. In the writing world, "gay romance" refers to two guys. There isn't much lesbian romance out there, but the little there is, is labeled "lesbian" to differentiate it.
Thanks for the points! Though I can't truly claim them if I'm getting them for the "gay" aspect...there's an entire world of publishing that focuses exclusively on gay romance, so I am pretty late to the ball, relatively speaking.
I'll have to give Torchwood a look-see. I've run across it on Netflix, I think...have to see if it's still there.
And LeeAnna, yeah, that made sense. I think the romance will probably sneak its cunning way in there, but I'm hoping the plot will be made of some stronger and more complicated stuff than just an angsty love story. And post-apocalypse is definitely new for me, but hubby has a particular fondness for it, so he's a great resource! Watching him play Fallout and the new Borderlands hasn't hurt, either.
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Yea but steam has always been around, and the wheel was invented quite some time ago, but the guy who found a means to put them together with a piston made a killing!
I think it's cool, not to have a 'gay fiction' as such, but a groovy concept in which a couple of the MCs just happen to be having a gay romance. In my book there's a couple of male, middle-aged cops who, only by mid book, do we see that they are an actual couple.
After enjoying reading yours, I went to drill holes in walls and put up a picture, just to reaffirm my insecure hetro manliness!
Cheers, Michael
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I've been a no show for the past 2 weeks (though I do constantly check this site and read up for inspiration). I had this huuuge problem.
Chapter 2 doesn't want to end. It isn't a block, its just that the only time I actually can write is only on Tues/Thurs in btwn classes. A bunch of stuff is happening and it seems that I can't find time to finish it (it's like 90% finished). Well its thursday and about 2hours left before my next class, I'm hoping to wrap things up, but it might take another 3 days to post it up since I like to reread and change things a lot.
I hope this doesn't continue happening 
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P.S I was reading someones comment about fastidious reviews, and I can't agree more. I'm working on my 4th review here, and the structure I use is mostly an analysis chapter-by-chapter with my thoughts on it. I go a bit into dork mode and assign stars per chapter, find the average of the stars, and that's what you'd get per section. So yeah my reviews can get pretty long. If someone leaves a loose-ended review, best believe I'm going to ask you to elaborate and what your reason was for thinking this...<---I don't find it a problem asking someone to be bit clearer with their reviews and hope you don't either.
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Well, Michael, if you're still feeling insecure, you could come over and drill some holes in my walls... No, seriously, we have this huge Escher print that's been just hanging out in the dining room for the past four or five months, at least, and hubby and I are too lazy to actually contemplate hanging it. Much obliged.
@Kay - at least the writing is still happening, right? I run into the problem where I daydream all of my plots, and then I get frustrated trying to put them on paper because they don't come out exactly the way they were in my head, and so I stop writing. And as far as the re-reading thing, I'm trying to just write it out, make obvious tweaks as I go, and then just post it up without looking at it again. Otherwise, I'll edit myself right out of wanting to write the rest of the story. It's really tough, because I tend toward grammatical/perfect-vocabulary-choice OCD, but on the plus side, it is keeping me from getting overly angsty about my work.
P.S., Nicki Hill's posts this week apparently brought to you by the word "angsty." *shrug*
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Glad to know I can be of some help, Nicki. And I know what you mean by Fallout and Borderlands being great help. My husband loves that type of stuff too. Post-apocalyptic can have multiple meanings and outcomes, it just depends on what happened (i.e: zombies, contagion, nuclear warfare, aliens). Apocalypse is simply the end of the world as you know it, so it can be just the collapse of the world itself, a nation, or some other mass area. I suggest looking into other dystopian sources for information to help deepen your story.
Made some headway into 35. About a page actually. I've been dicking around with the editing for my the previous 5 chapters so I can get them up here. 35 will be finished tomorrow. It has to be. The ending is such a tease...
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Writing-wise, I've been a slacker. Chapter 1 of the third book of my series just hasn't gelled the way I want it to yet. I've also been uber busy with work, volunteering, and art projects.
LeeAnna - I have every intention of reading through the copy of your book you sent me. Just need to GET STARTED. Once I do that, I will finish it.
Nicki - Do check out Torchwood (for many reasons).
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Nicki, I second checking out Torchwood, though I'm not sure about the American-made season. I only saw one episode and was so pissed off at it that I was surprised when Russel T. Davies' name popped up in the credits.
NaNoWriMo is going well, for my late start. I need to up it though if I want to be anywhere near 50K by the end of the month.
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Okay, I didn't finish it, but I got 3 pages done.
It's fine, Angela. I'm slowly working my way through your first book. I'm about 55% done.
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Spousal Reviews...
Woot! Chapter 16 is completed to my way of thinking and has passed the wife's muster. Strange thing about having the spouse read my work is that I only listen to grammatical corrections. I can check that. But I assume praise means she loves me and criticism means she doesn't understand.
What can I say
Does anybody allow themselves to get good input on the *story* from their loved one? Or does the story itself have to evolve in the mind of the writer?
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@GD: I allow criticism from loved ones, but my loved ones don't stroke egos either. My mom has no problem telling me if I screwed up somewhere, and my uncle is a book fanatic. He'll tell me if I've slipped up.
As for progress, chapter 35 is maybe a thousand away from finish. I just have it scribbled down and need to type it up. I've been working on it everyday like a good wittle writer, and should finish it today.
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@GD I allow people to read my stuff whom I know aren't going to be ego-strokers and/or who aren't just going to hand pages back with a, "I like it." :eye roll:
Progress: Last night I realized I'd been doing my handwritten word count wrong. I'd been counting for college-ruled composition notebook when I've been writing on loose-leaf college-ruled paper - and had shorted myself over 9k words! Egad!
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Dear Lord! You write, actually write, on paper, when you could type into Word and have it instantly editable, the word count at your fingertips? Explain this to me, please.
I take notes on paper, at work, or in the car, stopped at a light, hell, grocery shopping, anywhere. I always have a pen and sticky notes with me, in a back pocket of my jeans. But to write, really write? OMFG!
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I stopped showing my work to my lovely wife some time ago. There's some pretty dark characters in there, in fact even the MC is a bit of an arrogant, chauvanistic (wot no spellcheck?) S.O.B. and as I'm often writing from the characters' POVs and therefore in explaining their thought processes and motivations, justifying and rationalising their heinous actions, she was beginning to think that I was a carrying some 'orrible perspectives and opinions myself.
Now writing in a vacuum, but happily married still
RE: handwriting verses word processing.... I prefer to use pen and paper, but rephrase and rewrite so much, adding snippets after, so often, that the finsished page can be hard to follow. I go straight to screen now, and my 'delete' and 'back' keys are well used indeed!
Who was it said, they could tell, when reading a book, whether the author had used a computer or paper?
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@Mari: I still write in a notebook. I then transfer it to a Word documents, where I'll make edits and rewrites. But I still write it with pen first.
I finally got a title for my NaNoWriMo project: "Fairest of them All." And I'm about to post the edited second chapter of "The Wedding Game."
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Hmm, I like ego-strokers. But I also like people who can give me good feedback. I think I've found people here to be better at that than my friends and family (the few with whom I've shared my work, anyway...with what I write, I pick and chose pretty carefully who I think isn't going to be totally turned off). I do share my work with the hubby, but more in that I bounce ideas and plot devices off of him to help me figure out what's going on, rather than in soliciting constructive feedback on what's been written. Since it's not his preferred genre, he doesn't feel qualified to give feedback, for one; and of the two of us, I'm the grammar-and-spelling-and-words person, so he's pretty useless there, too. ;P
I'm writing the newest project with pen and paper. I got these awesome new fine-tipped gel ink pens the other day, and they write like a dream. I love the smoothness of gel ink. Plus, these ones are quick-drying, so there's no smudging. Bonus!
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Michael R Hagan wrote:
"Who was it said, they could tell, when reading a book, whether the author had used a computer or paper?"
JG Ballard wrote:
“I do a lot of book reviewing, and although I've never used a PC, I'm absolutely certain that I can tell the difference between books that are written on PCs and those that are not. Books written on the PC have high definition in the sense of line-by-line editing, grammar, sentence construction and the like. But the overall narrative construction is haywire. There's a tendency to go on and on and on, in a sort of logorrhea, and to lose one's grasp of the overall contents.“
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I can't type directly onto the computer. My brain doesn't like it. It calls me all sorts of unseemly names and then refuses to work. So I write on paper with a pen. I know, so inefficient. But researchers have done studies on paper and pen vs. typing on a computer. You know what they found: Writing by hand stimulates the brain more than typing because typing is a purely mechanical act. Almost all of my book has been handwritten at some point.
But then I use another archaic machine called a typewriter. I love it. I have three of them and want more. With scanning tech these days, my brain gets the stimulation from all the extra functions I have to do with a typewriter but the benefits of pen and paper. It's kind of like driving a muscle car with a manual vs. a brand spanking new car with an automatic.
Oh yes, I finished chapter 35 by hand yesterday. That means I'm done with writing portion. I should have the last 6 chapters up next month. Then begins the mass editing process.
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I had a bout of logorrhea once but I eat some cheese, washed down with a large coffee, and it cleared right up!
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I have to disagree with JG Ballard. My tendency to go on and on is a fundamental part of my conception, quite deliberate, and not the result of how easy it is to play with my keyboard. I can be short and to the point (OK, comparatively speaking) if I want to be.
As for criticism/commentary, I trust no one's opinion but my own, and that only after an intense assessment. If I listen to any input seriously, I listen to the worst, digest it, then forget it, and go my own way. Which, in the end, is what we all have to do.
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Wow. Okay, so I didn't expect my comment about writing longhand to spark so much discussion!
@ Mimi Speike ~ Your disbelieving words cracked me up. For you, I have an url ~~ http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/write-by-hand-nanowrimo-tip-8_b60422 ~~ lots of good stuff here, some reflects how I feel about writing longhand.
Why wouldn't writing longhand be "instantly editable"? I write on the front of college-ruled loose-leaf pages. This leaves the back free for notes or whatever. When it comes time to type everything up, I find the backs a great place to edit. I can spill out whatever I need to back there. Even when I'm still writing, for what it's worth. If a thought comes to me down the road, I can mark the front of the paper (A) (B) (C) (D), etc, and write what I need to on the back. Clear as mud, right?
Also, my wordcount is pretty much at my fingertips as needed - I know how much I get where; of course, this took a bunch of memorization on my part, and I don't care about being 100% exact.
Besides, what do you think people did before the gods invented the typewriter? Gods forbid we were still stuck with hammer and chisle.
@ Michael R Hagan "finsished page can be hard to follow" Which is why I'll never be able to hire a typist. Also, I employ stars, numbers, and letters. Otherwise, I can't keep track of what's what and what goes where.
"Who was it said, they could tell, when reading a book, whether the author had used a computer or paper?"
For real!
@ Alexandria Brim "I finally got a title for my NaNoWriMo project: "Fairest of them All."" I like that. My title is still generic! ACK!
@ Nicki Hill "Hmm, I like ego-strokers." I don't. I like things to be real. Then again, you did post a after what you said, there. LOL
"But I also like people who can give me good feedback" Good, honest feedback is the best, and in my opinion it can be hard to come by. I've not posted anything for review here, yet; but I've not had anything that's ready for that, yet, either. I never send anything to close friends or to any of my family. I have exactly two family members who give a damn about my writing, and they want it only when it's finished and ready to go (in a book they can hold).
"I'm writing the newest project with pen and paper. I got these awesome new fine-tipped gel ink pens the other day, and they write like a dream." Totally, yes. I have to have a specific brand and style of paper and a specific brand of ink pen. What hurts is when a pen goes out of business or for some reason local stores just don't carry it any more. So I buy in bulk to stave (stove?) that off as much as possible. Yes. It's true. I'm a paper and pen hoarder. Arrest me! OMG DON'T LOOK IN MY CLOSET! :runs off screaming:
@ LeeAnna Holt "I can't type directly onto the computer. My brain doesn't like it." This. I have AD/HD with dyslexia and dyscalculia. My brain is an all kinds of messed up place. I think so much better with a pen in my hand - although I'm still prone to typos (longos?) with ink. (just last night, I was numbering pages, and was looking right at the last page, page 62, and wrote (and very carefully i must say!) 36 on the next sheet. o.O
"Writing by hand stimulates the brain more than typing because typing is a purely mechanical act." Which is exactly what's stated in the link I posted above! It makes perfect sense to me!
@ Michael R Hagan "I had a bout of logorrhea once but I eat some cheese, washed down with a large coffee, and it cleared right up!" ROFLMAO
@ Mimi Speike "My tendency to go on and on is a fundamental part of my conception, quite deliberate, and not the result of how easy it is to play with my keyboard. I can be short and to the point (OK, comparatively speaking) if I want to be." Same with me, pen and all.
"I listen to the worst, digest it, then forget it, and go my own way. Which, in the end, is what we all have to do." Hear, hear!
progress: last night I added 1930 words to my NaNo project.
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Now. I think that's the longest post I've ever done here at BC!
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In a bout of synchronicity, I ran into this on Tumblr. Just think, this is how it'd still be if we hadn't learned how to harness electricity.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lugbiikTLN1qcr86xo1_500.jpg
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I just read something that I have to share.
In an article on Slate, discussing a new book about the letters of Kurt Vonnegut, the author says, Vonnegut 'seems incapable of writing a boring paragraph'.
Isn't that lovely?
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Nah, I really do like an ego stroke here and there. I mean, authentic ones, though, not just people going, "Oh. Yeah. That was great. No, really." I have a friend who gushes over everything I create, and it's kind of nice to get that on those days when I feel like everything I create is poo. But my favorite is an ego stroke with a load of constructive criticism so that even more people will gush over it later. 
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To think that I could actually teach Vonnegut something!
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@Mari: "I like that. My title is still generic! ACK!"
Thanks. I hadn't been too focused on the title but I wanted to take advantage of the artists on the NaNoWriMo site to get a cover. So I went to a forum there to ask for help with titles but since my story is about a woman who thinks she's the reincarnation of Snow White, everyone focused on the apple. I wasn't too thrilled with that and then the title just popped into my head.
And don't worry about generic titles. Prior to the title finally hitting me in the head, I had the story registered on the NaNoWriMo site under the generic "Reincarnation." Sometimes generic works as a placeholder until something better strikes us.
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Hi Alex, I should really read your synopsis before chucking out random titles, but on the offchance any of these, or some combination of them, may fit;
Second Fall.....
Last Snow.....
Lost in Snow.....
Thoughts of Snow....
In Search of the Seven....
Once there was Snow.....
(Of) White no More......
(A) Second Bite.....
(Of) Winter Bound.....
No Fairytale (It'snow Fairytale ).....
Snow Returns ().....
Phantom Winter.....
In Search of Snow.....
Uncharmed.....
Thawing Tears.....
Frozen Tear.....
White but Once.....
Mirrored.....
Mirror Mirror....
Pale Reflection.....
White Copy.....
A Life in Reflection.....
Reflected.....
Without/Absent Reflection....
Reflections of Snow....
Wishing for/ Remembering Snow.....
Snow Regrets
If I'm missing the mark by a mile, direct me to look at the booky........
G'luck
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@MariAdkins: I get the whole thing about hoarding favorite brands of paper and pens. I love Moleskine notebooks for their paper, but there is no way I could afford to get the portfolio size the way I blow through paper for rewrites. I filled up one super thick legal pad and two cheapies from OfficeMax just on chapters 24 - 35 alone, and that's with only snippets. Pens, same deal. Have to get cheap ones. I kill them so fast. Then there is the amount of paper I feed through my typewriter. What I wouldn't give for some junk dot matrix paper that I used to draw on as a kid.
I don't want to be all me-me-me here, but I finished writing my manuscript. I want an ego stroke for at least doing that. Who'll help this beggar out?
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@LeeAnna: *Stands up and applauds* Congrats. And good luck with editing.
@Michael: Wow, I should've come here first. That was a lot more than I got over at NaNoWriMo. And some of those were good. But I think I'll stick with "Fairest of Them All." And I'd love to show you the "booky" but...I'm not going to post it here to BookCountry until after Nov. 30th. I'm only writing, not editing and it needs some editing before I put it out for the internet to judge.
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"Fairest of Them All" That works... now how did I miss that?
Now I feel like the guy who devised 200 uses for the humble peanut, but never imagined peanut butter.
Good luck with the edit!
Oh, and LeeAnna, Congrats on reaching the finish line!
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YAY, LEEANNA! Congrats! That's so awesome that you've finally finished. You've been working on this one for years, if I've been following correctly, right? I definitely wish you luck with editing!
And not to one-up or anything, because this is totally not writing related...but I just found out this morning that I'm pregnant. We're not telling friends and family until Christmas, so I have to come share where nobody knows me. Now, I wonder if I can gestate a whole new novel in the same time it takes to gestate this baby...
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